> The results revealed that Jonathan has “unique gene variants in most aging pathways” including DNA repair, insulin regulation, mitochondrial function, and “low entropy” methylation, reports the study.
min-maxing longevity vs speed and charisma
luipugs 20 hours ago [-]
I dunno, I think he's pretty charismatic. He has all these researchers wanting to spend time with him.
scun 20 hours ago [-]
Sure but biologists will talk to anything. You know what happened to the other tortoises? Bored to death.
SwtCyber 14 hours ago [-]
He's basically been networking for 194 years without ever leaving the garden
PalmPilotProMax 17 hours ago [-]
Yeah, but is he more charismatic than Bryan Johnson?
Wait till he gets his hands on turtle semen and peptides
ElProlactin 13 hours ago [-]
My supplement company has a product, PeptiShell Vital Peak, that has been selling in volume to a mystery buyer for the past few months. Things that make you go hmmm.
DrMandalay 16 hours ago [-]
The oldest gay tortoise there is. You can hear the grunts when he and Frederick are fucking from the other side of the valley.
SwtCyber 14 hours ago [-]
To be fair, he's had 194 years to work on his charisma. At this point it's a choice
penne_pastaa 4 hours ago [-]
whats the point to living longer if you're not living life
it kinda looks like he was taken from his home as a toddler and put in jail for like... 180 years or so?. very romantic indeed.
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dyauspitr 21 hours ago [-]
Interesting so the oldest land animal hasn’t cracked 200 but stuff that lives in the sea can go for five or 600 years or more.
adrian_b 11 hours ago [-]
This is the oldest land animal currently living and whose age is known with certainty.
It is believed that other tortoises may have lived close to 300 years.
The greater age reached by animals living in an environment that is cold and with a constant temperature and which need a much lower average power for living (i.e. a lower energy consumption and a slower metabolism) is very much expected.
SwtCyber 14 hours ago [-]
Apparently the secret to living 500 years is to move somewhere cold, avoid sunlight, and never be in a hurry
red-iron-pine 7 hours ago [-]
I do IT, poorly, in a basement in Canada. I will live to 500.
dyauspitr 5 hours ago [-]
As a person that absolutely loves hundred plus degree weather and is constantly outdoors I’ll take 20 years of a hot, sunny life over 500 years of that.
TiredOfLife 12 hours ago [-]
But what if I already live somewhere cold, avoid sunlight and am never in a hurry?
lifestyleguru 11 hours ago [-]
If you are a human this will make you a depressed alcoholic.
TiredOfLife 9 hours ago [-]
I also don't drink
_zoltan_ 8 hours ago [-]
Cold, no sun AND no alcohol? Man that must suck. :)
(And apologies for the slop, that was the first reasonable link I found.)
dyauspitr 5 hours ago [-]
Then short of living in a war ravaged country, or somewhere that is poverty stricken with malnutrition, you are living one of the least desirable forms of human life. For your sake, I hope you’re at least watching good TV, playing some nice video games, are working on an interesting problem and have someone to have sex with.
I mean their ancestor was a land mamal that decided to go live in water so they kind of did figure it out.
bmitc 8 hours ago [-]
That's the point ...
epolanski 21 hours ago [-]
There's sharks out there that are much older than the United States.
And sponges older than pyramids.
loloquwowndueo 19 hours ago [-]
Older than the United States hahaha.
Remember the saying : in the US, 100 years is a long time; in Europe, 100km is a long distance.
rootusrootus 19 hours ago [-]
How pedantic can we be? There are a number of countries in Europe younger than the United States...
otherme123 15 hours ago [-]
And we europeans consider them young. What we are pointing is that people in US (and America in general) talks about pre-1776 stuff as they were prehistoric, and pre-1900 stuff as they were comparable to Roman ruins. Add to that that we love to bomb each other to a ruble, and buildings and countries younger than 200 years are viewed as temporary stuff. Nothing pedantic or snobby here, just pointing that we live in different scenarios that affected our views.
rootusrootus 2 hours ago [-]
> pre-1900 stuff as they were comparable to Roman ruins
I get your point, but it's maybe not quite this bad. I grew up in a city where most homes were built in ~1900, with a number from before then. And this is on the west coast, there are lots of even older structures on the east coast.
> Nothing pedantic or snobby here
I wasn't describing you as pedantic, I was referring to myself, since I was about to observe that a number of European countries are technically young by government age. There is obviously a lot of nuance there, and long history, but hey, there have been people inhabiting North America well before the USA became a thing too.
vidarh 12 hours ago [-]
But far fewer than modern nation states that are younger. E.g. Norway as a modern nation state is typically dated to either 1814 (constitution), or 1905 (independence), but the country is considered to have been united between 872 and ~1130 depending on exactly how consolidated control you're willing to count.
skrebbel 16 hours ago [-]
It’s more like US people look at a couple 100yo buildings and say stuff like “wow this place has a lot of history!”
lifestyleguru 10 hours ago [-]
> It’s more like US people look at a couple 100yo buildings and say stuff like “wow this place has a lot of history!”
You are overgeneralizing. In much of Europe plenty of architecture was erected after 1945, and most of architecture around and after 1900.
pablobaz 10 hours ago [-]
Or the New River in London - an artificial waterway opened in 1613.
loloquwowndueo 10 hours ago [-]
And then you have things like the “new bridge” in Paris which is 420 years old.
1-more 3 hours ago [-]
The most common surname in Czech Republic is Novák meaning "new guy" but it could be because a guy was the new guy in town in the 1600s.
autoexec 19 hours ago [-]
It's still pretty long in the US.
Over an hour by car, and even for people who bicycle regularly riding a century is no joke.
rootusrootus 19 hours ago [-]
By that same sort of metric, 100 years is a long time in Europe, too. Not too many people live that long.
nancyminusone 5 hours ago [-]
well at least there are no 100km long sharks
epolanski 11 hours ago [-]
Didn't expect folks to take a fact statement as an attack.
The point was to emphasize the longevity of some animals, as for us humans the US constitution is 8/9 generations away.
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tick_tock_tick 18 hours ago [-]
Isn't the USA older then pretty much every country in Europe? Maybe the UK could be considered older depending on how you count it and San Marino is there but all the other major ones like Germany, Italy, France, Spain, etc aren't even 100.
Scandiravian 18 hours ago [-]
How in the world can you claim that France is not even 100? The German empire was established in 1857, which is definitely more than 100 years ago; it's also not unreasonable to say that the HRE could be equated to the German state, that Spain is the continuation of Castille, and that the Roman empire can be considered the direct precursor to Italy
There's a cultural through line for all these countries, often stretching back thousands of years, which means that they reach further back than the definition of the modern state
BuyMyBitcoins 16 hours ago [-]
Perhaps they referenced a source that only considers the French Fifth Republic as “France”? That would give it an age of 68.
Scandiravian 15 hours ago [-]
Perhaps, but that would by all accounts still be a pretty silly thing to do. It's not like another group of people with a different cultural background invaded France and displaced/killed everyone already living there
A person with a French citizenship from the fourth republic was still a French citizen when the fifth republic was established
cdot2 6 hours ago [-]
By that logic "People with a different cultural background invaded France and displaced everyone already living there" Paris is a very young city.
higginsniggins 17 hours ago [-]
If you're gonna give them credit for stuff like that, then you need to at least give credit to the United States as far back as the Pilgrims in the 1600s.
Scandiravian 15 hours ago [-]
Perhaps, they were certainly foundational in establishing traditions that are now part of American culture, but even 1600 is young compared to many, if not most, European countries
The Franks made Paris their capital in the 5th century, so that still ~1100 years earlier
The Germanic people exists in records from the 1st century
Whether you can consider Spain as originating from Hispania of the Roman Empire, which would place it in the BCs, or you are more conservative and say that it doesn't count until after the reconquista from the Umayyad, we're still around the 10th or 11th century
As for Italy, we're again in BCs with the Roman empire
So yes, in comparison to many European countries, the US is a very young country
loloquwowndueo 5 hours ago [-]
By your metric Canada is older than the USA, first colony (Champlain was founding permanent trading posts in 1608 some of those settlements turned into cities that exist today)
jbarberu 15 hours ago [-]
Sweden would like a word...
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bdangubic 18 hours ago [-]
My Dad has a vacuum cleaner that is older than USA
bmitc 18 hours ago [-]
It's interesting how arrogant Europeans can be towards the U.S. when they themselves seeded the U.S.!
stubish 17 hours ago [-]
And Orange Roughy, available in Australian fish and chip shops, spawned around the same time as the first British colony there.
totetsu 19 hours ago [-]
Why was the us space force involved?
poooogles 13 hours ago [-]
I'd guess that the samples got flown through RAF Ascension Island which the Space Force operate at.
gumby 19 hours ago [-]
He has a pm unusually large volume and has been around an unusually long time and they are the group responsible for anomalies in space-time.
andai 6 hours ago [-]
Maybe he's just really good at chess.
SomeonesAccount 7 hours ago [-]
I misread that as the first animal that was on earth, not the oldest LIVING animal as the 404media articles title would suggest
GRBurst 5 hours ago [-]
same :-)
mapcars 12 hours ago [-]
oldest known animal
antonvs 20 hours ago [-]
> Stephen Clark, an aging researcher
Shouldn’t they find a younger researcher?
aix1 17 hours ago [-]
Ideally one called Jonathan?
fahrvrgnugen 17 hours ago [-]
To be fair, all researchers are aging.
lifestyleguru 11 hours ago [-]
Then why they are they picking on Stephen?
happyweasel 12 hours ago [-]
Proof that rucking is good for your health
red-iron-pine 7 hours ago [-]
only if you go very slowly
pythonRon 12 hours ago [-]
The goal is to lengthen human lifespan? Like the planet doesn't have enough humans already.
uiautrb 11 hours ago [-]
The problem is not with the number of human but with our lifestyle...
jhbadger 10 hours ago [-]
It's both, though. Yes, the Earth can support more humans with a lifestyle closer to that of the West in the 19th century than with a lifestyle closer to the the West in the 21st, but even in the 19th (and earlier) deforestation and the like were happening. And it's just reality that as societies prosper they use more resources per person. 50 years ago the vast majority of Chinese didn't use cars but walked and and bicycled. Now they are quite car dependent.
pyrale 6 hours ago [-]
It's usually not the most frugal humans that want to defeat death.
_heimdall 9 hours ago [-]
I'm not sure that's an easy argument to hold up. Where would you draw the line on lifestyle that can and should reasonably change?
We've populated large portions of the planet that we really have no business living in without climate controlled indoor environments. HVAC is also a huge energy suck with all the externalities that come along with it. If we were to really want to cut energy use, for example, and climate control had to go we almost certainly couldn't continue to sustain as many people as we have today.
wolvoleo 4 hours ago [-]
People have lived all over the planet without these things, I don't think you can say we have no business living there.
Think of the aboriginals and nomads roaming the deserts and the inuit in the icy north. All before hvac.
And hvac isn't really as much of an energy problem as heating is. Because when hvac is needed it is during a time of abundance of sunlight.
jfyi 6 hours ago [-]
> Where would you draw the line on lifestyle that can and should reasonably change?
I'm with you, but let's just say it.
People, as a whole, don't want to make the changes we all know would make the world better.
People, as individuals? While there are exceptions, the reality is a classic tragedy of the commons. Individuals generally won't accept a short-term drop in their standard of living while watching their neighbors refuse to do the same.
It is what it is, frankly. We can and will change our lifestyles at the very last possible moment. Let's hope it's enough.
fearmerchant 5 hours ago [-]
And the type of humans.
tokai 10 hours ago [-]
Wake up grandpa, human population is on the cusp of beginning to decline.
nancyminusone 7 hours ago [-]
"on the cusp of beginning to"
This will happen no earlier than the 2080s. The world population is expected to increase every year until then. We will add nearly 2 billion people in that time. Consider that the entire world population was less than 1 billion for all but the last 221 years.
I continue to not worry.
dirkc 10 hours ago [-]
Wouldn't a decline be good? Or is the theory that we can only do collapse, not decline?
Tade0 10 hours ago [-]
Depends how it's done I guess. France has a decent population tower, for lack of a better expression:
If they keep it up, their population will remain stable up to the 22nd century. There will be no further noticeable ageing and thus no threat to anyone's retirement.
jfyi 6 hours ago [-]
Decline fails to uphold the prevailing world economic ideology. That's the real problem with population decline the way I see it. We will need to adjust in ways that don't support the idea of "unlimited growth".
dirkc 21 minutes ago [-]
Line must go up. Part of me wonders if the economic ideology might be what causes more than just a gradual decline.
close04 10 hours ago [-]
> Wake up grandpa
Just imagine how many more grandpas and great grandpas will be around for you to shout this at.
The problem with the population isn't (yet? only?) the absolute number of individuals but the age distribution. Most societies rely on young people to support themselves and the old, and this only works if there's a good balance between the numbers of each. Living longer isn't guaranteed to offer a longer productive period. We might just end up with more old people in need of support and not necessarily more children. This is already a major problem today in most developed countries.
There are probably so many more factors to consider. Like the psychological impact of living substantially longer. Even things like that crappy boss who won't retire from another 60 years, the dictator who won't die for another hundred years, or any number of the many society destroying tech CEOs getting to entrench themselves for decades more.
smallstepforman 11 hours ago [-]
Well, they dont want more for you, but more for “them”.
calacatta 19 hours ago [-]
Every couple Summers
Me and a couple hunters
Like to row in from the Isle of
Astonishing M*erf*ers
ck2 7 hours ago [-]
heartrate of 10bpm is cra-cra
but explains a lot
Ancalagon 21 hours ago [-]
He doesn't look a day over 90!
F3nd0 19 hours ago [-]
> He doesn't look a day over 90!
He still has quite a ways to go to 1485715964481761497309522733620825737885569961284688766942216863704985393094065876545992131370884059645617234469978112000000000000000000000. :-)
SwtCyber 14 hours ago [-]
194 is the new 90 apparently
frereubu 14 hours ago [-]
No point staying alive if you're not healthy. This is a great podcast about the difference between lifespan and healthspan: "To start our new series about what it means to live in a world of ageing populations, David talks to geneticist Adam Rutherford about the benefits and pitfalls of increasing longevity. Are GLP-1s – drugs like Ozempic, Wegovy and Mounjaro – miracle cures that will extend human lifespans? What happens if longer lives do not coincide with better health? How far can life extension be pushed? And who wants to live forever anyway?" https://www.ppfideas.com/episodes/an-ageing-world-lifespan-v...
varjag 14 hours ago [-]
Luxury problems.
frereubu 9 hours ago [-]
And?
dataflow 14 hours ago [-]
> No point staying alive if you're not healthy.
Maybe not for you, but others would beg to differ?
Darwin apparently had debilitating illnesses at 72 (one year before his death) when he published a book on earthworms and their role in forming soil. And Pasteur was apparently paralyzed at 63 when he developed the rabies vaccine. Etc.
Should they have just kicked the bucket when they lost their health, because of the pointlessness of living past that?
frereubu 9 hours ago [-]
That's an uncharitable reading of what I mean, but I suppose I could have been clearer. Perhaps "no point staying alive if you're so unhealthy that you're perpetually miserable" would be closer to what I meant, particularly having seen a number of elderly relatives living through their last years in unrelenting misery, impatient for death. One in particular sticks with me, an uncle who had been a doctor and knew exactly what was coming because he'd seen plenty of it in his career, but without the means to end it in a dignified way. These people absolutely didn't want to be kept alive longer - which is the point of the distinction between lifespan and healthspan in the podcast.
Ensorceled 6 hours ago [-]
My paternal grandfather starved himself death because of health issues. My paternal grandmother died in agony from colorectal cancer. My maternal grandfather faded away and died not recognizing most of his children. My maternal grandmother was trapped in a noisy ICU where she couldn't sleep until her heart finally failed.
We can all come up with shitty anecdotes.
dyzone 4 hours ago [-]
Was your grandfather a jain? They have a end of life ritual called sallekhana where old people fast to death.
Ensorceled 2 hours ago [-]
No. He was just in pain and had no other way out.
Canada has medical assistance in dying now that lets people avoid this.
DeluluDon 2 hours ago [-]
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_heimdall 9 hours ago [-]
A bit more charitable read on the GP is that people should focus on having as many healthy days as possible rather than as many total days as possible.
That doesn't mean those already I'll should just give up, it means those looking to their future should consider whether living 20 more healthy years is better than living 40 more years if 30 of those are increasingly focused on just treating symptoms to wake up tomorrow.
lifestyleguru 10 hours ago [-]
Chopin had tuberculosis most of his life and died at 39 weighing only 45kg. Euler became almost blind before 60. Give a chance to sick and feeble, folks.
m4tthumphrey 8 hours ago [-]
No one wants to live forever. Except maybe Trump, Musk and co
toephu2 4 hours ago [-]
You can hate Elon Musk all you want, but lets not perpetuate lies okay?
Musk believes death is actually beneficial to society, "There is some benefit to death, by the way." he said. He believes some people never change their minds (usually old people), so generational turnover allows new ideas to replace old ones and is good for society.
m4tthumphrey 29 minutes ago [-]
I was being facetious.
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echelon_musk 13 hours ago [-]
I wonder where else the oldest land animal could be, if not on Earth?
rpozarickij 13 hours ago [-]
English isn't my native language, but to my eyes it looks like writing "'Jonathan' is the oldest land animal" lacks context/completeness for an article title. Perhaps "'Jonathan' is the oldest known land animal" could add some mystery, but "'Jonathan' is the oldest land animal on Earth" sounds more attention-grabbing.
_joel 11 hours ago [-]
A greenland shark, just with lots of water on top of the land too.
Razengan 13 hours ago [-]
There might be older land animals on other planets…
(writing that just gave me mini goosebumps)
verdverm 20 hours ago [-]
he's so old, he's completely lost the hare /j
a96 12 hours ago [-]
Hare dropped out ages ago. He won the long game.
rectang 15 hours ago [-]
> He Could Hold the Secrets to Defying Death
The struggles for limited resources among humans marooned in a finite ecosystem will not allow us to defy death. When natural causes no longer reduce our numbers sufficiently, we will be winnowed through an unceasing epidemic of violence. So long as there are births, there will be deaths.
If you thought the carnival of dementia brought about by modern medicine's gradual reduction of quick death was grim, just wait until medicine solves natural death entirely.
Tortoises who give up their secrets to humans won't survive the cataclysm.
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repeekad 21 hours ago [-]
> the samples were delivered from Saint Helena to Florida by the U.S. Space Force.
...why space force?
sublinear 20 hours ago [-]
It's a remote area and USSF has operations in nearby Ascension Island.
DrMandalay 16 hours ago [-]
St Helena is where the minimum wage workers on Ascension come from. It only exists to provide cheap labour to Britain's Atlantic territories.
fnordpiglet 20 hours ago [-]
Because Trump, Musk, et al are hoping to live forever but their lifestyle is not very forgiving - hence all haste.
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 19 hours ago [-]
Y'all see Trump and Elon in everything.
Mistletoe 18 hours ago [-]
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roarcher 16 hours ago [-]
You think it's cringe because it was created by Trump (Musk wasn't involved, not sure where you got that).
The Space Force's role was previously split across military branches with overlapping budgets and poor communication. And since space duties weren't the primary focus of any of those branches, they weren't taken seriously and career tracks within them were stunted, making it hard to attract talent.
Hate Trump all you want, but if your analysis stops at "cringe", consider that you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.
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thelastgallon 13 hours ago [-]
We don’t need to cure death. Just hair loss and old skin, it will create $50T market cap in new companies.
Meleagris 11 hours ago [-]
I’m actually more interested in hair removal. There should be better methods than what we have now.
If I’m going bald, then I’d love to shortcut the process.
Shaving is awful no matter where it is on your body. It takes time, it’s irritating and you never look fresh for more than a day.
tim333 2 hours ago [-]
I've moved to designer stubble. You can leave it 2 or 3 days and the lawnmower like stubble trimmers are quite quick.
Larrikin 8 hours ago [-]
Isn't this solved with laser hair removal?
acidx 8 hours ago [-]
Laser hair removal only works if there's contrast between the skin and the hair. So if you have white or blonde hair and white skin, it doesn't work; or if you have brown skin and brown hair, it also doesn't work.
For cases where laser hair removal won't work, there's electrolysis, which involves inserting an acupuncture needle in each and every hair follicle, but it's expensive, slow, and can be pretty painful.
wolvoleo 5 hours ago [-]
Laser is painful too even when it does work :(
cryzinger 2 hours ago [-]
Laser tech is definitely improving on that front! I've done laser hair removal off and on for a while, and the clinic I go to recently got a new laser to replace their old unit that kept breaking down (hence some of those "off" periods)... and this new model is legitimately almost painless. The old one zapped me pretty bad in certain areas, so it's not like I'm immune to laser pain, but in those same areas I never felt more than a tiny snap/pinch from the new one.
The technician also mentioned that this new model works on a wider array of skin tones--if I remember correctly, I think she said that it works all the way up to a Fitzpatrick 6, as long as the hair itself has melanin (still no way to target white/light hairs).
AmazingEveryDay 6 hours ago [-]
But, hair can be dyed?
vablings 6 hours ago [-]
When you have laser hair removal, the laser flash pumps a ton of energy into the hair follicle which essentially roasts the shit out of the hair follicle so it dies, usually it will re-product hair at some point but very thin, wispy white hair if any at all.
You need to shave your hair for laser hair removal since you don't want a long melting chunk of hair on your body that will cause serious burns. Hair dye will not color the root base of the hair meaning that heat energy will not travel down to the base as well and probably just destroy the pigment dye instead of the hair itself.
jghn 8 hours ago [-]
Sort of. It's often not perfect, and often not permanent.
red-iron-pine 7 hours ago [-]
mostly, but not always, and it's harder if there is less contrast between hair color and skin color.
jester997 9 hours ago [-]
Just grow a scraggly and comb it down. Venture capitalists wear t-shirts that show their nipples on stage, so what’s the shame in a long scraggly.
wolvoleo 5 hours ago [-]
There's nothing shameful about nipples anyway.
jv22222 2 hours ago [-]
How about just reversing grey hair. I’m surprised no one figured that out yet.
pelagicAustral 12 hours ago [-]
The hair one is a fascinating one to me... We have some many examples of people like Bezos, Jobs, Ballmer, Brin, Slim... I mean, if the ultra rich have not figured it out, I don't think there much hope for anyone else really... haha of they can pull a Musk, but that's not the point, the point is to reverse balding...
johnwalkr 9 hours ago [-]
It's not what you meant but toupees have gotten really good, the only problem is you can't be a public figure and have pattern baldness one day and a full head of hair the next. There's actually something called "the toupee fallacy" which means assuming an entire category of something is bad based on only noticing bad examples.
hbn 7 hours ago [-]
I Think You Should Leave had a sketch that's a fake ad for bald men who have been wearing toupees and want to stop but don't want to show up to work one day bald, making everyone think you've been lying to them. So the service is they send you a new toupee every week, each one balder than the last over the span of 52 weeks, so you can look like you're progressively going bald.
chrisweekly 6 hours ago [-]
I'm not usually into cringe humor, but IMHO "I Think You Should Leave" is its own category. Episodes like Hat and Hot Dog Car ... I almost hurt myself laughing.
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lifestyleguru 11 hours ago [-]
> can pull a Musk, but that's not the point, the point is to reverse balding
How much such hairline can cost, $10?
pelagicAustral 11 hours ago [-]
nah, but I mean, the guy went trough the same instant pipeline as Steven Seagal where he was definitely all thin in Above the Law and a film later his hairline had won the battle. Come on!
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tencentshill 7 hours ago [-]
Trump, the most vain of them all, has tried pretty much every way for the last 40 years. It's likely mostly glue at this point.
xboxnolifes 3 hours ago [-]
Is market value the only important thing?
Night_Thastus 3 hours ago [-]
That's the world we've built. It's not a world for humans.
thrance 3 hours ago [-]
In a market-driven economy, yes sadly.
xboxnolifes 2 hours ago [-]
Not everything is about the economy. Even when you have a market-driven economy I'd say most things that people value aren't even represented by the economy.
dyauspitr 2 hours ago [-]
No, we need to cure death. I have no problems having old skin and being bald if I can live for 1000 years.
sidewndr46 2 hours ago [-]
Isn't this covered in multiple sci-fi genres? There's no real way to distinguish immortality from what amounts to a pre-planned death around some kind of life extension procedure. As a social group, we're more likely to select something that is effectively "continuation of thought patterns" than we are to actually extend consciousness
dyauspitr 2 hours ago [-]
I think brain and eyes within a vat are completely within the realm of possibility in the very near future if not already. That would definitely register to me as extending consciousness with no preplanned death.
SwtCyber 15 hours ago [-]
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stepwisecalc 16 hours ago [-]
ok
samudrijan 21 hours ago [-]
In the Leftovers people think living in Jarden is why they were left. Maybe St Helena is the new Jarden.
Regex777 9 hours ago [-]
What's the use of living longer, all we do is leech, kill. I am glad and sad at the same time that humans are mortals.
[I am being sarcastic here, XD]
pil0u 21 hours ago [-]
Can't we just appreciate that exceptionality as it is?
Somehow, I wish we would leave that creature alone. For once.
fnordpiglet 20 hours ago [-]
They did opt to swab his mouth rather than draw blood to minimize his discomfort. That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise for the value of learning and science
min-maxing longevity vs speed and charisma
Wait till he gets his hands on turtle semen and peptides
It is believed that other tortoises may have lived close to 300 years.
The greater age reached by animals living in an environment that is cold and with a constant temperature and which need a much lower average power for living (i.e. a lower energy consumption and a slower metabolism) is very much expected.
https://partyshopmaine.com/alaska/is-alcohol-illegal-in-dead...
(And apologies for the slop, that was the first reasonable link I found.)
And sponges older than pyramids.
Remember the saying : in the US, 100 years is a long time; in Europe, 100km is a long distance.
I get your point, but it's maybe not quite this bad. I grew up in a city where most homes were built in ~1900, with a number from before then. And this is on the west coast, there are lots of even older structures on the east coast.
> Nothing pedantic or snobby here
I wasn't describing you as pedantic, I was referring to myself, since I was about to observe that a number of European countries are technically young by government age. There is obviously a lot of nuance there, and long history, but hey, there have been people inhabiting North America well before the USA became a thing too.
You are overgeneralizing. In much of Europe plenty of architecture was erected after 1945, and most of architecture around and after 1900.
The point was to emphasize the longevity of some animals, as for us humans the US constitution is 8/9 generations away.
There's a cultural through line for all these countries, often stretching back thousands of years, which means that they reach further back than the definition of the modern state
A person with a French citizenship from the fourth republic was still a French citizen when the fifth republic was established
The Franks made Paris their capital in the 5th century, so that still ~1100 years earlier
The Germanic people exists in records from the 1st century
Whether you can consider Spain as originating from Hispania of the Roman Empire, which would place it in the BCs, or you are more conservative and say that it doesn't count until after the reconquista from the Umayyad, we're still around the 10th or 11th century
As for Italy, we're again in BCs with the Roman empire
So yes, in comparison to many European countries, the US is a very young country
Shouldn’t they find a younger researcher?
We've populated large portions of the planet that we really have no business living in without climate controlled indoor environments. HVAC is also a huge energy suck with all the externalities that come along with it. If we were to really want to cut energy use, for example, and climate control had to go we almost certainly couldn't continue to sustain as many people as we have today.
Think of the aboriginals and nomads roaming the deserts and the inuit in the icy north. All before hvac.
And hvac isn't really as much of an energy problem as heating is. Because when hvac is needed it is during a time of abundance of sunlight.
I'm with you, but let's just say it.
People, as a whole, don't want to make the changes we all know would make the world better.
People, as individuals? While there are exceptions, the reality is a classic tragedy of the commons. Individuals generally won't accept a short-term drop in their standard of living while watching their neighbors refuse to do the same.
It is what it is, frankly. We can and will change our lifestyles at the very last possible moment. Let's hope it's enough.
This will happen no earlier than the 2080s. The world population is expected to increase every year until then. We will add nearly 2 billion people in that time. Consider that the entire world population was less than 1 billion for all but the last 221 years.
I continue to not worry.
https://www.populationpyramid.net/france/2026/
If they keep it up, their population will remain stable up to the 22nd century. There will be no further noticeable ageing and thus no threat to anyone's retirement.
Just imagine how many more grandpas and great grandpas will be around for you to shout this at.
The problem with the population isn't (yet? only?) the absolute number of individuals but the age distribution. Most societies rely on young people to support themselves and the old, and this only works if there's a good balance between the numbers of each. Living longer isn't guaranteed to offer a longer productive period. We might just end up with more old people in need of support and not necessarily more children. This is already a major problem today in most developed countries.
There are probably so many more factors to consider. Like the psychological impact of living substantially longer. Even things like that crappy boss who won't retire from another 60 years, the dictator who won't die for another hundred years, or any number of the many society destroying tech CEOs getting to entrench themselves for decades more.
Me and a couple hunters
Like to row in from the Isle of
Astonishing M*erf*ers
but explains a lot
He still has quite a ways to go to 1485715964481761497309522733620825737885569961284688766942216863704985393094065876545992131370884059645617234469978112000000000000000000000. :-)
Maybe not for you, but others would beg to differ?
Darwin apparently had debilitating illnesses at 72 (one year before his death) when he published a book on earthworms and their role in forming soil. And Pasteur was apparently paralyzed at 63 when he developed the rabies vaccine. Etc.
Should they have just kicked the bucket when they lost their health, because of the pointlessness of living past that?
We can all come up with shitty anecdotes.
Canada has medical assistance in dying now that lets people avoid this.
That doesn't mean those already I'll should just give up, it means those looking to their future should consider whether living 20 more healthy years is better than living 40 more years if 30 of those are increasingly focused on just treating symptoms to wake up tomorrow.
Musk believes death is actually beneficial to society, "There is some benefit to death, by the way." he said. He believes some people never change their minds (usually old people), so generational turnover allows new ideas to replace old ones and is good for society.
(writing that just gave me mini goosebumps)
The struggles for limited resources among humans marooned in a finite ecosystem will not allow us to defy death. When natural causes no longer reduce our numbers sufficiently, we will be winnowed through an unceasing epidemic of violence. So long as there are births, there will be deaths.
If you thought the carnival of dementia brought about by modern medicine's gradual reduction of quick death was grim, just wait until medicine solves natural death entirely.
Tortoises who give up their secrets to humans won't survive the cataclysm.
...why space force?
The Space Force's role was previously split across military branches with overlapping budgets and poor communication. And since space duties weren't the primary focus of any of those branches, they weren't taken seriously and career tracks within them were stunted, making it hard to attract talent.
Hate Trump all you want, but if your analysis stops at "cringe", consider that you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.
If I’m going bald, then I’d love to shortcut the process.
Shaving is awful no matter where it is on your body. It takes time, it’s irritating and you never look fresh for more than a day.
For cases where laser hair removal won't work, there's electrolysis, which involves inserting an acupuncture needle in each and every hair follicle, but it's expensive, slow, and can be pretty painful.
The technician also mentioned that this new model works on a wider array of skin tones--if I remember correctly, I think she said that it works all the way up to a Fitzpatrick 6, as long as the hair itself has melanin (still no way to target white/light hairs).
You need to shave your hair for laser hair removal since you don't want a long melting chunk of hair on your body that will cause serious burns. Hair dye will not color the root base of the hair meaning that heat energy will not travel down to the base as well and probably just destroy the pigment dye instead of the hair itself.
How much such hairline can cost, $10?
[I am being sarcastic here, XD]
Somehow, I wish we would leave that creature alone. For once.